There is a group online for former devotees and friends. That is what they claim. In the rules it states that so long as you aren't offensive or something you can express your own viewpoint. But in reality what is their view? Not to support the viewpoint of Srila Prabhupada! If ever you try to say anything supported by the disciplic succession, Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, Bhaktivinode Thakur and so on, you may be given a warning. The next stage is you have to go through the moderators before your post can go through.
However if someone blasphemes Srila Prabhupada to their hearts content that is allowed, it is not against the rules. So there are two sets of rules, one that allows blasphemy of the Lord and His pure devotees and the other that does not allow members of the forum who blaspheme the Lord to be criticised.
And what is the result? Devotees who have weak faith and have left the movement, already having problems spiritually, now have even more problems when they are confronted with devotees who have left the movement some thirty years ago sometimes who sometimes claim they are gurus, self-realised and so on. There are prakrta-sahajiyas. There are those who prefer to follow "babas", and not the sheep kind, the ones who pretend to be on a higher level.
Why such criticism, you ask? To spread the word to avoid such offenders. One personality involved claims to be a witch. Witches generally are considered to be in the mode of ignorance and she worships the Goddess Laxmi Devi as well. In general there is quite a hodge podge assortment of devotees. Some are attached to Christianity. But it is wrong to hear blasphemy of the bona-fide guru and be removed while at the same time they allow all kinds of nonsense to go on in the name of being friends with the devotees.
To be a kind friend of someone means to tell them about Krishna. I have been restricted from doing that time and time again. I don't see how they can claim to be friends of the devotees. It seems more like a place to go on our way back into the material world.
However if someone blasphemes Srila Prabhupada to their hearts content that is allowed, it is not against the rules. So there are two sets of rules, one that allows blasphemy of the Lord and His pure devotees and the other that does not allow members of the forum who blaspheme the Lord to be criticised.
And what is the result? Devotees who have weak faith and have left the movement, already having problems spiritually, now have even more problems when they are confronted with devotees who have left the movement some thirty years ago sometimes who sometimes claim they are gurus, self-realised and so on. There are prakrta-sahajiyas. There are those who prefer to follow "babas", and not the sheep kind, the ones who pretend to be on a higher level.
Why such criticism, you ask? To spread the word to avoid such offenders. One personality involved claims to be a witch. Witches generally are considered to be in the mode of ignorance and she worships the Goddess Laxmi Devi as well. In general there is quite a hodge podge assortment of devotees. Some are attached to Christianity. But it is wrong to hear blasphemy of the bona-fide guru and be removed while at the same time they allow all kinds of nonsense to go on in the name of being friends with the devotees.
To be a kind friend of someone means to tell them about Krishna. I have been restricted from doing that time and time again. I don't see how they can claim to be friends of the devotees. It seems more like a place to go on our way back into the material world.
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Thu, August 31, 2006 - 4:04 PMYes, we should worship Krsna, make friends with sincere devotees, preach to the innocent and avoid the envious.
Sadhu ninda is the worst offense to the Holy Name. It is described to be like a mad elephant. It will rip your devotional creaper to shreds. -
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Thu, August 31, 2006 - 5:02 PMDo you think, however, that since it is a site for FORMER devotees - that they should be able to do it? Honestly, as a "former" devotee, I previously lived in a temple for approximately 2 years and then left, but still maintain a fondness in my heart, but I still consider myself a "former" devotee. I do not go to the temple, and have not gone in years. I do not pray or anything else for that matter. Although, I always sing - but that is MY preference, and MY preference only.
There are some devotees who leave, and do so with a bad taste in their mouth. Ultimately it is there own soul that they are endangering, not yours or anyone elses. I think that they should be allowed their viewpoints, and if you don't agree - then don't visit the site.
That's my 2 cents. I am sorry if it seems harsh, or contrary to the principles of ISKCON and Krishna, but it is important to remember that we are all welcome to speak our minds, just as you all have mentioned about telling friends of Krishna. If it is truly like a mad elephant, so able to destroy one's faith, there would seem no real reason for visiting those sites. -
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Thu, August 31, 2006 - 5:30 PMYes I agree, both that they should be able to do it and that for a faithful devotee it is probably a good idea to avoid that type of association. Many people have been mistreated in the institution and there may be some value in being able to vent. Individually, though if we are serious about our devotional creeper we should protect it from harm.
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Fri, September 1, 2006 - 5:18 AMNo fears - there was no "mistreatment" at all. I lived in the temple in Atlanta, and have such fond memories of just about everything there. I left to attend college, no other reason. Things just happen over time, and I keep Krishna in my heart, but not in my agenda. Yes, I know that it is not as good as someone who practices, but that is just where I am at this point.
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At least you can associate with devotees.
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 3:39 PMSrila Prabhupada said one time that if you have to leave at least you can associate with the devotees. Come to the Sunday Feast, come to Radhastami or some other festival. Some devotees have commented that Lord Nityananda's appearance day always brings back devotees who haven't been around for years. And I very much appreciate whoever comes back.
I have left and returned several times and had weak moments while at the temple. Still there is a danger in associating with an innocent intention and then becoming bombarded with so many offenses we don't know how to counteract that it actually does spoil our devotional creeper!
For example when a guru falls down, he should be given the chance to rectify himself. Srila Prabhupada said, and this is in the Bhagavad Gita, that whoever falls down will quickly be rectified providing he practices this process of Krishna Consciousness. It may not even be in this lifetime, but compared to the cycles of yugas it is better to try to become Krishna Conscious than not. In this endevour there is no loss or diminution. But if we listen to some devotees after hearing of someone's falldown demands for justice are there. Demands for the truth to come out for all to hear. I'm not talking of child molestors here necessarily, just someone who has admitted his falldown and wants rectification. And Srila Prabhupada said it is an offense to criticise them, as it says in Bhagavad Gita, and not to advertise their falldowns, because it makes it hard for them to come back. Other traditions have gurus who have fallen I have heard but they don't advertise it so we might think why does only ISKCON have so many fallen devotees?
When we hear a devotee criticised we have three choices, according to the Nectar of Instruction. We can leave that place immediately, we can defeat the offender, or cut out his tongue. Since we can't cut out his tongue we can either leave the website or try to defeat them. If we try to defeat them to help save the tender devotional creepers of all involved we are likely to meet with a wall of devotees determined to expose the ones who fell down so are we just to leave this type of website to it's own devices? If so, then we have to know it is under the control of those who might not be innocent devotees just recollecting the good old days but worse than that it is bad association that should be avoided. But that is not how it is advertised. Instead of saying they are friends of the devotees past or present they should say "A place to fault find and criticise Srila Prabhupada, the Gaudiya Math, Iskcon and even Lord Krishna. Whatever you want." Then former Vaishnavas will know what they are getting into. This is my opinion. -
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I hate to sound harsh
Fri, September 1, 2006 - 5:32 PMSarah I hate to sound harsh or critical myself it's just that when I went there it seemed that every time I tried to say anything about Srila Prabhupada or ISKCON I would receive a pm that not everybody likes ISKCON or Srila Prabhupada but whenever somebody said something against Srila Prabhupada what kind of reprimand did they get? Perhaps they did get something pm'ed, perhaps not. But their comments were allowed and mine were not, it seemed to me. The proof of this was when they told me I always had to say everything was my opinion only, while anyone who blasphemed Srila Prabhupada did not.
Yes you have the right to lose faith in ISKCON if you want to, but why disguise the website as a place to help devotees when all it helps devotees to do is to lose faith? What is it helping devotees to do? Come to grips with the fact that they no longer are devotees, and are in association of others who aren't either? The sad thing is to see someone come there in good faith and maybe want to associate with devotees but after some time lose faith altogether and that's it for this lifetime. They end their spiritual lives at a place with repercussions that but for the association of this group might not have affected them. -
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Mon, September 4, 2006 - 5:44 PM.it makes me so sad to see even one devotee leave. but even Srila Prabhupada packed away his radha krishna deities I've read in the lilamrta when he went to college, but later took up the worship again. -
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Mon, September 4, 2006 - 8:07 PMI can completely understand why someone would be upset about another leaving, but it is, afterall, freewill. Freedom to accept or turn your back, etc. I just am such a firm believer in the fact that we all need to have our space and freedom to express our beliefs and feelings. No doubt you feel the same Bhakta, but I think sometimes the goal of a group or their reason for being needs to be respected. Anyhow, keep up the kirtans and your faith and you will undoubtedly do much more good for many people, and not feel the affect of such negativity in your own life and spirituality.
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Thu, September 7, 2006 - 9:49 AMHow could anyone in their right mind criticize Dearest Prabhupada!?They wouldn't even have the luxury to Know anything!!Their maddness&rascal mind have gotten the better of them!They say that even in being an enemy that Krshna has mercy~That is the Love of GodHead!~Bless~ -
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Fri, September 8, 2006 - 5:04 PMYes Wendy I agree, if it weren't for Srila Prabhupada they wouldn't know a damn thing about Krishna, and then they go online and criticise him. But it all shows that they have to reject the guru in order to believe in their own ideas and allow themselves to be cheated. Like Lord Krishna says in the Gita, to those who wish to worship the demigods He gives them faith in them, otherwise they would not be able to do it. So some of these people might wish to be cheated but it is too bad some of them feel the need to criticise Srila Prabhupada in the process. -
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Sat, September 9, 2006 - 9:44 AMMaya has 2 shaktis, or potencies. The first is prapekshatmika shakti, that is she throws one in to a very undesirable condition of life. The second is avaranatmika shakti, or the covering potency, that even in that abominable condition one becomes attached and thinks they are ok. Just like one time Indra was cursed to become a hog. When the time for the curse was up teh spirit soul that was previously Indra was attached "no I don't want to leave this place. I have my stool to eat and my children". This is the avaranatmika shakti. And we can know that the prapekshatmika shakti is caused by performing activities that are warned against in the Vedic literatures. One of the biggest warnings is to not criticise devotees of the Lord, especially advanced devotees. To do so is an offense. Lord Caitanya compared this offense to a mad elephant that will completely uproot one's creeper of devotion and trample it to pieces.
It is an indication of grace or mercy that one is able to associate with devotees. It should not be taken for granted. When one leaves devotee association and takes up sense gratification again as the goal of life, the fact is that is because Krsna is withdrawing His mercy. And Krsna is withdrawing His mercy because of offenses. We should be careful to avoid offenses to devotees and offenses to the Holy Name. It should be no surprise that those who criticise Krsna's pure devotee are no longer interested in Krsna consciousness. And it should also be no suprise that they have lost their spiritual vision, which is a result of Krsna's mercy.
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Mon, September 11, 2006 - 7:33 AMMakh... if only they could listen to your good advice.
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Fri, September 29, 2006 - 3:43 PMI just wanted to Makhancora Prabhu that after reading your posts in a few forums I really appreciate your input and sanga on this website. It seems there are a lot of younger devotees here who could benefit and are benefiting from hearing mature and balanced application of our siddhanta.
Most importantly I appreciate your repeated emphasis that devotees really need to have a good grounding in our teachings and be able to properly discriminate between what is Krishna Consciousness and what is not. My dear Krishna Conscious brothers and sisters .... I beg you to take this advice seriously. Srila Prabhupada made it a priority to give us an easy to understand summary of Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu and instructed that it should be read from every evening in the LA temple when it was first published. The core of his mission was to introduce the Gaudiya teachings to the western world as instructed by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and it is every one of our responsibility to try to receive this gift for at least our own benefit.
Devotees like Makhancora Prabhu here have learned this lesson well (sometimes through trial and tribulation, am i not wrong?) that education is the essential purpose of the guru relationship far far beyond institutional loyalty. Srila Prabhupada himself demonstrated this by his disaffiliation with the Gaudiya-math when given the choice between submitting to the status-quo of the institution or genuinely following his guru's orders to educate in the English language. It seems that Krishna arranged things this way for him and I'm oh-so-grateful that he did or else I shudder to think of where I'd be now.
So I think we should be kind to these devotees who have so called 'left Krishna Consiousness' and realize that once Krishna's interest is invoked by performing some bhakti that He becomes attached to that person. Here's some nice reading on this point from 1st Canto:
"By service of the Absolute Truth, even for a few days, a devotee attains firm and fixed intelligence in Me. Consequently he goes on to become My associate in the transcendental world after giving up the present deplorable material worlds. Intelligence engaged in My devotion cannot be thwarted at any time. Even at the time of creation, as well as at the time of annihilation, your remembrance will continue by My mercy.
PURPORT by His Divine Grace:
Devotional service rendered to the Personality of Godhead never goes in vain. Since the Personality of Godhead is eternal, intelligence applied in His service or anything done in His relation is also permanent. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that such transcendental service rendered unto the Personality of Godhead accumulates birth after birth, and when the devotee is fully matured, the total service counted together makes him eligible to enter into the association of the Personality of Godhead. Such accumulation of God's service is never vanquished, but increases till fully matured."
So the real situation is that despite that devotees think they are leaving Krishna consiousness they never can. (Why else would they make a website for former devotees if they didn't consider thier prior experience important to them.) Some can leave the current state of the institution (as Srila Prabupada demonstrated). Some can even leave the practice of sadhana. More tragically, there are a rare few who take to athiestic thinking. Most likely this is due to offenses such as the sadhu-ninda that Prabhu is pointing out here. Even then they usually become like Kamsa and still focus their concentration on Krishna but in a negative way.
When people leave the society of devotees, for whatever reason, we should not think that they are fodder for us to criticise and denigrate all sort of disrespect towards. That just gives them a very good reason not to come back into the association of devotees. We should be kind and understand that their Krishna consciousness does not depend on whether or not we accept them as devotees or not. Factually, we should be educated to understand the truth about their situation:
nitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-prema ‘sādhya’ kabhu naya
śravaṇādi-śuddha-citte karaye udaya
“Pure love for Kṛṣṇa is eternally established in the hearts of the living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, this love naturally awakens." (Madhya 22.107)
nehābhikrama-nāśo 'sti
pratyavāyo na vidyate
sv-alpam apy asya dharmasya
trāyate mahato bhayāt
"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear." (BG 2.40)
...... (from purport) "Material activities and their results end with the body. But work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness carries a person again to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even after the loss of the body. At least one is sure to have a chance in the next life of being born again as a human being, either in the family of a great cultured brāhmaṇa or in a rich aristocratic family that will give one a further chance for elevation. That is the unique quality of work done in Kṛṣṇa consciousness."
So just like we don't uneccesarily kill even an ant so that it can continue unimpeded in its karmic journey we should be much more reverent of the relationship that Krishna has established with anyone who has even slighty awoken their dormant attraction for Him. They may seem 'fallen' by our faulty reasoning capacity but Krishna may see things differently. He may even put us in their position one day so we can see what it feels like to be 'on the outside looking in' if we can't develop a pleasing attitude whilst we are 'on the inside looking out'. Krishna is super-expert at giving lessons to teach us to be humble and grateful that we are on the path Home.
amāninā māna-dena kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ
Having said all that I should make it clear that I'm also a fallen person. I still chant Hare krishna and do some other sadhana practices. I even manage to make some contribution towards the institution (the ISKCON one - there are others out there though). But still I'm a fallen person and only by the grace of Srila Prabhupada I have a life worth living. So I hope I didn't offend anyone here with my views. -
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Tue, October 10, 2006 - 9:07 AMIf they are"no longer a devotee"doesn't that make them a karmi?~To turn away from the purest instruction then not only makes you a fool but a rascal as well! Unstable&weak people cannot interfere or challenge my Love or Devotion for Krshna OR Prabhupada! I really feel sad for them,compassion&pity nothing more! Better to be the fallen or poor devotee~How utterly sad&worthless does it seem?~But I guess that there is still Lila for the enemy or shatru of Krshna!~It is Still his mercy! How Beautiful is that?? JAYA!!!!
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 1:40 AMHi, I am a former devotee and I would love to join in on some Prabhupada bashing, just wondering which Prabhupada they usually go for, A.C., or Chris Butler.
Chris Butler is my target of choice, being that I was born into a family of his disciples. Although it would not be difficult finding fault with the author of the atrocious "Bagavad-gita, as it is."
It is such a blatant hijacking and misrepresentation of the origional work.
The whole tradition of Gaudiya Vaishnavism is clearly created by MEN dedicated to controlling peoples spirituallity (by giving them none).
A system that demands your obediance to a middleman, dictates all thought and supressess all natural desire(sexuality) while directing your attention to the steamy sexual relationship of Radha Krsna is obviously there to use you to no end.
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 9:56 AMYou are an adult now, so now you have a choice of what you want to cultivate in your life.
Do you really want to cultivate hate and anger?
Anger is one of the three gateways to suffering and misery, as stated in the Bhagavad Gita. (16.21)
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 2:50 PM"You are an adult now, so now you have a choice of what you want to cultivate in your life."
Is what you said.
So you admit that a child born into a "krishna" family has absolutely no choice about "serving" Krishna.
It is the reality of the situation for multiple thousands of children who started off like myself.
No kid is going to concisely tell their parents that they don't want the package that their parents so graciously hoisted upon them and started beating relentlessly into their heads since they first burst into this world.
No Hare Krishna parent ever presented their belief system to their child any other way than "this is TRUTH".
Before I can even remember I was already bowing to the deities and the Guru, knew the chants and believed in krsna, completely a product of it before I could even speak.
This BULLSH*T is forced down the throats of every single kid born into it, they never even have a chance.
They were never supported to think for themselves, only to BLINDLY ACCEPT a twisted, stunting, hatefull, ignorant and completely disconnected ideology.
Independent thought is referred to as "Mental Speculation" and strongly opposed.
Instead we are sustained by just accepting the immaculate rants of "spiritual masters" and a system that endorses these unquestionable experts as completely necessary, and the only gateway to "god".
It is ALL false, it is all specifically DESIGNED in complete contradiction to true growth, true understanding and true independance.
As long as you accept it as it has been prepared for you, they have you. You are feeding them and they rule you.
I guess I should keep all this to myself, because the Gita says don't be angry.
Could you not learn a lot more about yourself if you accept and honor what is pumping through your veins?
I have no reason to be afraid, I have no reason not to paint a vivid picture of what I see when I look at where I came from.
Why spend your life molding yourself after some generic model of perfection? we are all completely unique and uniformity is real fu****g unhealthy.
I love you smug little Hare Krishnas thinking you are so right and people like me will "get mine".
All I can say is keep waiting, because if you are right, ol' krishna must be getting pretty pissed.
Too bad he is no more than a character invented by the same people who created the rest of 'em.
Krsna is Jesus is Horus, etc, etc, etc.
I don't know all the names, but Jesus(christ) and Krishna(or chrishna) share exact life details of about 13 other previous savior gods.
Why? because the life details are SYMBOLIC of encoded meanings that the ones in the know can decode.
There is little to no actual evidence of any of them actually existing, and I would say the fact that the stories of their lives and deaths are all similar or identical points more to the fact that they are all the same figure or concept recycled down through history.
It is the exact same formula behind all of them.
As I understand it, they are personified deities placed over our most ancient, origional and primitive form of worship or reverance...
That of the observation of the sun and stars. All the details shared by Krishna and the others are usually reference to the fact that these deities represent the sun.
below is a link to a video pointing these out.
www.youtube.com/watch
If you want the rest of this video, go here
www.youtube.com/results
Who are the ones creating these convoluted sun religions and selling them to the masses as truth and fact?
They operate through the stucture of secret societies and emerge sometimes as powers, then that power fades, they continue, always under a different banner.
They are the ones who burn entire libraries to the ground, erasing all natural knowledge, erasing their earlier religions and endorsing the current religion.
They are the ones who always claimed the right to rule over us on the behalf of god.
They are the monarchies of old, they are the ones with an iron grip on the media today.
They always want us in one place, disconnected from our true potential, serving an entraping belief system, at each others throats and completely blind to who they are and what they are doing.
Go read the bhagavad-gita again.
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 5:10 PMhey Austin!
Amazing that the username 'rama' wasn't already taken.
I guess its your good karma from studying all those Upanisads eh?
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 9:20 PM"Maybee the rest wanted DAS after it."
lol. Funny. :)
Still waiting to see your universal form though. i guess having an alter ego is a step in the right direction.
cheers,
ekendra
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Mon, October 23, 2006 - 12:50 PMI am actually in desperate need of an objective source of information on Gaudiya Vaishnavism, but I would surely pass it on when i get it.
Although I just got a book I am really exited about, called "the Suns of God:Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled"
by the female author Acharya S., she wrote a great book called "the Christ Conspiracy", very much in the Jordan Maxwell vein.
from the back cover:
As archaeologist, historian, Mythologist and Linguist Acharya S thoroughly reveals, these numerous godmen were not similar "historical" personages who "walked the earth" but anthropomorphizations of the central focus of the famous "mysteries". A major element of the cryptic, international brotherhood, these mysteries extend back thousands of years and are found worldwide, reflecting an ancient tradition steeped in awe and intigue.The reasons for this religious development, which has inspired the creation of entire cultures, are unveiled in this in-depth analysis containing fascinating and original research based on evidence both modern and ancient-captivating information kept secret for ages.
I started reading the first chapter on Krishna, and it said:
"Like various gods and goddesses around the globe, the Hindu god Krishna has been the source of much confusion and speculation over the centuries. His purported earthly life has been asserted to have occured anywhere from hundreds to thousands of years before the common era, and his very nature has been debated thoroughly, with all manner of suggestion put forth.
Moreover, while he is a favorite of millions of people, Krishna has also been assailed, not only by Christian Missionaries and other foreign fanatics, but also by Indian natives as well. In fact, there have been "numerous tribes of Hindus" who have labeled krishna "in impious wetch, a merciless tyrant, an implacable* mind and most rancorous** enemy."1
Nevertheless, Krihsna is currently the defining deity within Hinduism and one of the most popular godmen in the world.
Although it appears to be a Monolithic*** faith,"Hinduism" is a term adopted in the modern era to describe the MANY religions of india."
1-Moor (Simpson),145:
Moor, Edward, The Hindu Pantheon, ed. W.O. Simpson, Indological book House, India, 1968.
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A couple of definitions:
*implacable; adjective.
"The computer hacker has become the new implacable foe"
unappeasable, unforgiving, unsparing; inexorable, intransigent, inflexible, unyielding, unbending, uncompromising, unrelenting, relentless, ruthless, remorseless, merciless, heartless, pitiless, cruel, hard, harsh, stern, tough, iron-fisted.
**rancorous; adjective.
"California's rancorous recall campaign."
bitter, spiteful, hateful, resentful, acrimonious, malicious, malevolent, hostile, venomous, vindictive, baleful, vitriolic, vengeful, pernicious, mean, nasty; informal, bitchy, catty.
***monolithic |?män??li?ik| adjective
1 formed of a single large block of stone. • (of a building) very large and characterless.
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Mon, October 23, 2006 - 1:09 PMFake profile. Austin Grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mon, October 23, 2006 - 7:56 PMRama, you can believe whatever you want.
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Mon, October 23, 2006 - 8:33 PMwhat a geek, LOL
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Mon, October 23, 2006 - 11:58 PMI don'i know why you guys are still here, Sadhu ninda is the worst offense to the Holy Name. It is described to be like a mad elephant. It will rip your devotional creaper to shreds. -
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Tue, October 24, 2006 - 4:03 AMAustin your a geek not a sadhu! -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 10:27 AMnever said I was -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 10:32 AMMaybee you could elaborate on WHY I am a geek?
Seems as though you have nothing more than your pathetic little insults.
Must be all that following.
By the way, my profile is absolutely accurate. -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 10:34 AMJust not the pictures. -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 6:07 PMYou still didn't explain a thing, and if I was motivated by envy, that would mean I want to be like you.
You have no idea what youa re talking about.
There is nothing fake about my profile except that there is no picture of me.
I was sent to a Brahmachari boarding school in the Phillipines.
I was born and raised inside the same religion/belief system that you freaks have such boners for.
I came onto this topic because I am the kind of person that it is talking about and I wanted to see what was up with the people who think the stuff that has been written on this page.
I think the self protecting mechanism that you all employ with regards to questions and objections towards anything about by Gaudiya Vaishnavism and it's "Spiritual Masters" is the epitimy of Blind Faith, and so low.
I really take issue with the way it is passed on to subsequent generations.
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 11:20 AMOnly a geek would be so envious to make a fake profile to go on you troll spree,
Sorry guys for feeding the troll
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Tue, October 24, 2006 - 6:09 PMYou still didn't explain a thing, and if I was motivated by envy, that would mean I want to be like you.
You have no idea what youa re talking about.
There is nothing fake about my profile except that there is no picture of me.
I was sent to a Brahmachari boarding school in the Phillipines.
I was born and raised inside the same religion/belief system that you freaks have such boners for.
I came onto this topic because I am the kind of person that it is talking about and I wanted to see what was up with the people who think the stuff that has been written on this page.
I think the self protecting mechanism that you all employ with regards to questions and objections towards anything about by Gaudiya Vaishnavism and it's "Spiritual Masters" is the epitimy of Blind Faith, and so low.
I really take issue with the way it is passed on to subsequent generations. -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Sat, October 28, 2006 - 2:05 PMSad,very sad.It's up to us to report it to tribe~Larry David Rama? -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Sun, October 29, 2006 - 12:09 PMWhat about Larry David? I got Ricky Gervais up there, too. -
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Re: Beware of the repercussions for leaving Krishna Consciousness.
Sun, October 29, 2006 - 1:23 PMYou guys are truly sad with your inability to let people truly speak their minds. I am talking about the f***in' s**t that was this origional thread.
What would be really sad is if I had never broken the stranglehold that was placed on me the moment I was born.
Or if I bought into the fear mongering that you propagate on behalf of "Gaudiya Vaishnavism", everything that you rejects said above, including a person like myself having their tongue cut out.
I bet none of you have ever really looked at what existed and exists in 'Hinduism' before and outside of 'Vaishnavism'.
Read here, www.hinduwisdom.info/introdu...uism.htm
quotations from the link in quotations.
"When religion becomes organiz
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