All He did was lose Himself In Love. For You and Me...
When was the last time anyone died for you?
People just either LOVE or Hate Him...
Not so with Buddha Krishan Mohammad et al.
Why?
What did Jesus do to deserve this?
Oh yea I forgot He loved The lost and repentant Humble childlike that had ears to hear, and cursed all the "pious" self rightious vipers that stunk up the temples.
Which group are you in?
When was the last time anyone died for you?
People just either LOVE or Hate Him...
Not so with Buddha Krishan Mohammad et al.
Why?
What did Jesus do to deserve this?
Oh yea I forgot He loved The lost and repentant Humble childlike that had ears to hear, and cursed all the "pious" self rightious vipers that stunk up the temples.
Which group are you in?
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Mon, August 1, 2005 - 8:20 PMI actually have a great deal of respect for Jesus, his life and work. Many of us believe in prophets, if not THE prophet. Recall, Jesus was 'quoted' as saying "I am not the son of God. We are all children of the same God."
Christ preached respect for all religions. It is no small irony that there are those in this world who would call others self righteous while propagating the same behavior amongst themselves.
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Wed, August 17, 2005 - 8:53 PMI Love Jesus! He is Awesome!!!I just can't stand alot of His followers,unfortunately.Sorry:( I agree that He taught Respect&Tolerance&Kindness,also hung out with the lower people,not the rich,the ones who Really needed Him.Jesus seemed to be very innocent&Loving towards all,a Great Teacher&Prophet.His Word&Teachings are still received by many.He was very Unconditional in His Love,Perfect Love.Hopefully we can all try harder to be More like Him! -
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Thu, August 18, 2005 - 3:42 AMI totaly agree with you wendy o -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Thu, November 30, 2006 - 5:45 PMI second that!
The followers of Jesus are a pain in the ass. Why do they insist that I am not happy unless I am just like them? I grew out of that phase after Junior HIgh School!
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Thu, August 18, 2005 - 7:22 AMAs much as Jesus was very feminine and unconditional in his love he was also VERY masculine (tough/fatherly love so to say).. so maybe that's why people either love(d) him for hate(d) him.. some people "can't handle the truth" :) i think you may be a little mistaken about it not being the same case or atleast similar with Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, etc.. i'm sure the Kuru's HHHAATTTED Krishna for helping Arjuna :) we just don't hear about it as much as we do Jesus because of the popularity of Loving and Hating Jesus here in the US.. infact, i would go as far as to say that a good majority of those who claim they "love" Jesus don't really LOVE Jesus for not many of us have perfect selflessness and confidence in his will.. just my opinion though :) what do i know?
much love and peace
Om Jesu Christi
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Thu, August 18, 2005 - 8:56 PMHate is a strong word dear brother...you are making a gross generalization saying people either Love or Hate Sananda (Jesus) It's time we take him off the cross and listen carefully to his true teachings with our hearts, not our egos.
You may find some interesting info on the following page, especially the end where it summarizes Conclusions.
www.irr.org/yamauchi.html
In Light,
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Mon, September 26, 2005 - 3:46 AMHow any body think that anyone folowing a spiritual path hates Lord Jesus i love him and evryday he help me in loving His father more and more S.Prabhupada toll us that Lord Jesus whas are guru and one of the shaktiavesa avatara of the Lord like is esplaing in the shastras or vedas.Love Jesuscrist but do not crucified Him evryday
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 8:48 PMIt's like dear Wendy said, it's not Jesus people hate, it's the sick, psycho- Christians with their twisted intolerant ideas of what religion should be. You know, like those Jehovah Witnesses that come to your door with anti Krishna literature. It's like, what are you promoting? Love or intolerance? We are all the same, we may call God by different names, but the common thread is love. If the religion you practice didn't teach you that, then you should rethink your religion! I mean that for those who would preach against non Christian beliefs. -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Sat, May 13, 2006 - 6:36 AMShari, while I see negativity in the forums original poster, I must say that I cannot see any hate-filled message or actions in the TRUE followers of Jesus. He was all about love, kindness, and non judgement. So, to call Christians hateful is an oxymoron. I used to call myself a christian, and while I dont anymore, I could still follow His example of a TRUE devotee of God. (Krsna). He was the perfect example of a devotee and, in my opinion, preached Krsna consciousness. Like most everything, human kind put a spin on things and screwed up His message..All Glories to Lord Jesus Christ-Ki Jaya!
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Mon, October 24, 2005 - 8:04 AMI love jesus... it's his fan club I'm not too fond of! -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Wed, February 8, 2006 - 7:50 AMHis actual name is Yashua.....
So why make up the word Jesus......
There was no J in our alphabet in his day.
I love you lord, save me from your Followers.
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Thu, February 9, 2006 - 9:34 AMI thought it was Yasus~Christos? (The alphabet came from Rome&Greece! )The ones who finished Him off&took his Business!~Kinda ironic? -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Fri, March 3, 2006 - 8:28 AMI am indifferent to Jesus, I just can't stand his followers and their pre-adolescent idea that nobody else in the world can possibly be happy unless they are Christians!!!
I don't beleive a word of the Bible because it's like playing telephone: by the time it was starting to be written down it had gone through too many voices, opinions, politics, and translations...King James, Anyone?!?
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Sun, May 7, 2006 - 10:30 AMIt seems to me that in order to hate someone, the hater must have some experience of them . . there must be an actual encounter with the energy of that one, and the effects of experiencing that energy must be of such severe negativity as to create an emotion characterized by such intensity as is the emotion "hate".
We could say that there is a kind of residual encounter with the energy of a historical person, for example, we can experience the effects of that which a person was -- sometimes long after they are no longer inhabiting that particular body. But a residual encounter is subject to distortion through the effects of time.
In this respect, consider the possibility that perhaps many who experience strong emotions of an adverse nature to the historical figure Jesus, are subject to those emotions due to the residual encounter (as transmuted through subsequent historical occurances, distortations, dilutions, etc) rather than due to an actual direct encouter with the energy of that personal entity known as Jesus.
So, it's easy to see the disconnect . . . the "hate" emotion is not at all connected to the personal entity to whom it is directed and with whom it is associated.
If all one knows about Jesus (or any other person) is known through the filters of countless others, then that knowledge is subject to the integrity of those filters. (A cursory look at history will suffice to call into question the reliability of those filtering agents!!)
Personal experience is neccesary to the assimilation of personal knowledge. How can one who has not personally encountered the living entity known as Jesus actually experience any emotion (be it love or hate) related to Jesus except through the questionable representation of those who claim to speak on his behalf?? (Who by the way, are wildly divergent in their "authoratative" commentary)
Obviously one cannot have a direct encounter with the energy of any personal being who is not existant in the present.
So, in order for the emotion "hate" to actually be properly connected to Jesus, (or love) it follows that a personal encounter is neccessary. I would venture to suggest that those who have actually encountered Jesus and wind up experiencing an emotion resembling "hate" can only do so because the current evolutionary state of their consciousness does not allow them openness to the appreciation of pure love!!
The entire subject reminds me of the dynamics of prejudice. (ignorance) When I was a kid I would hear people who did'nt even know a black man, commenting upon their characteristics.
What is required is knowledge of the Source. Direct, personal knowledge!
Personally, I offer all respect and gratitude to Jesus, but like that crazy looking guy on here said, it's just some of his fans I have a problem with!
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Wed, May 10, 2006 - 9:20 AMI think unfortunately that Jesus' messages got lost in the shuffle, so to speak. The more I read of the "lost" gospels, the more his messages sound similar to Buddha, among others. He seems to have actually taught that we are all pieces of god. The funny thing is, the reason I left christianity in the first place was because I felt that every natural thing and everyone was holy, and had desired to learn these very same lessons! I never thought I would be dabbling in gnostism, but never say never! -
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Wed, May 10, 2006 - 10:38 PMmy daughter and I had a good laugh when we too saw the "I love Jesus, It's his fan club I hate" bumpersticker a couple of weeks ago.
I left the Christian church after four years of attendance quite awhile ago. I felt inadequate, and isolated. I left because I was too nice to be there...really! The cliques, the boasting, trying to be the one on the pastor's "A" list. It was worse than highschool. We don't have
money, and are not affluent, so we were usually wallflowers. I don't have time to spend an hour or more in "the Word" so I seemed to lack dedication and devotion.. It seemed like everyone was always trying to top the other...so i felt bad and inefficient. I couldn't join study groups, I didn't have the spare time. I have a family to take care of and I work night and day. I was never invited to socials, but they invited each other in front of me, my children didn't get invited to birthday parties. I always gave 10% as the pastor reminded us all the time that we need to give sacrificially and put our faith and trust in God, as the Bible states this is the amount we should give (They usually stick to the New Testement for the sermons, but do like to go back to the Old Testement to grab this teaching). But there were times when I needed help with utilities or other and they told me that they were sorry, that there were no fundings available to help us. In the end, after 4 years, I had been scarred very bad. I had taught alot of art classes for their camps and schools etc, but I recently called and they refused to give me a reference. Of course I was shocked and hurt. I had been shut out. Now that I wasn't a member, they really didn't want to stake their name on me. I have avoided calling them to see how they are doing, and I know they don't think about me in a positive light (backslider), but I know that even if I re establish a friend ship, it is not going to be free of the fact that in the back of their mind, their main goal is to get me to church. Every action is goal orientated and their mind is distracted by waiting for the opportunity to bring up their lecture on convincing me that I need to come back and that the life I am leading is wrong. I don't know how to say it, but it is not a genuine unconditional friendship. It is late and I am not finding the words..but I cannot just go and say hi, because eventually the conversation will turn to trying to reconvert me. My gosh you should have heard the stuff going on in circles during the outbreak of the Iraq invasion...I was shocked, so hateful. I sold imports from India at festivals and I was always worried that someone would show up and see me. Or the Crystal Faires. I was at an Italian festival and was wearing a Hindu meditation shawl. The soundman came. He is also the photographer for the church. Needless to say it was awkward. He took photos of me and my children earlier, and you know what, he never contacted me to send me copies. I was the heathen he always knew I was. So I do not hate Jesus at All! I love him with all my soul.....but I cannot deal with the drama and peer pressure and popularity contests and brownie points for being the most devoted and relentless pressure to join....I love him, but constantly having to measure up to everyone else and worrying is too much....shesh, it is late and I shouldn't be writing. It is not coming out right...but it was a very bad period of my life.
They say that during Jesus' unaccountable period of life that he was with in the far east, learning meditation...Doesn't the Q'uran mention him too?
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Thu, May 11, 2006 - 5:43 PMWoah...where are you going with this? So full of distrust? I am krsna conscious and LOVE Jesus. I know and understand who He is and why He was here. He was a perfect example of God conscious.If you only had comprehension of what Krsna consciousness really teaches...you would understand...Hare Krishna! Jesus Christ Ki Jaya!...love Bhaktin Lisa
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Fri, May 12, 2006 - 2:29 PMThere are certainly many misguided interpretations of Jesus' teachings out there, and many people who have backlashed against Christianity (and seemingly, Jesus) because of them. But there are also many people who love Jesus very much but might not even call themselves Christians. I don't consider myself a Christian in the sense that many people use the word, (as in, go to hell if you don't accept Him as your savior, etc.) but I learned to love Jesus and found a very strong feeling of home in his teachings when I learned about Gnosticism. There is a tribe called Gnostic Way that has lots of wisdom about Jesus (and is full of people who love him in many different ways). Maybe if you check it out you'll see that many people love Jesus deeply, and you also might gain some insight into His love and our capacity to experience/reciprocate it. -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 11:29 AMIn the terminology of Vedic /sanskrit theology, Jesus can be understood as shaktyavesha avatar. That means, one who is empowered by Divinity to act on behalf of Divinity. An agent of the Absolute Reality, or a visa granting officer of the Transcendental world.The Bhagavad-gita describes that periodically (in every yuga or universal epoch) Divinity introduces teachings for the spiritual evolution of mankind. The Lord descends Himself or empowers a qualified soul as in the case of Jesus.
yada yad hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati bharata
abyutanam a dharmasya
tad atmanam sri jamy aham
"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in dharmic practice and a predominat rise of adharma, at that time I descend Myself." BGita 4.7
Dharma means the intrinsic quality of a thing. Like the qualities of heat and light are inseperable from fire, or liquidity is the inseperable quality of water. The dharma of the soul is to love (prema-rasa). All the developed theistic systems in the world teach that we are eternal non-material spiritual (conscious) souls distinct from gross matter. Teachers like Jesus come to awaken our spiritual hearts in love for the Supreme Soul. They don't come to create religious institutions and formalites which breed predjudice. Formal doctrines and institutions are only useful if they foster growth of love in our hearts and self giving and spiritual communion. If the form impedes the flow of spiritual substance in our hearts then we should abandon the form or formality. What is the use of a formal latin or sanskrit prayer if it is recited absent-mindedly or without true feeling and a spirit of self giving on our part? Better is the simple prayer in broken english of a small uneducated child that has true feeling and love. This is the substance of dharma or religion. It simply means the proper adjustment of the individual soul in spiritual love with God the Supreme Soul. If we get hung up on methodology or cultural or ritualistic trappings our progess becomes checked. If we look at the substance of what Jesus taught (or whats left of it...) We get a better understanding of what His purpose was. Deny thyself, self sacrifice for a higher non-material ideal. I like to think also that Jesus was enlightened enough to understand that a higher conception of God would necessarily include the female shakti or Divine Potency, not just an antropomorphic male patriarchial creator diety. The Vedas give us information that above the impersonal unconditioned all accomodating spiritual light of Brahman there exists an infinite variagated beautiful unlimited realm of transcendental spiritual consciousness (vaikuntha - meaning without limit) where God plays in the form of a beautiful child in unlimited loving pastimes with unlimited numbers of liberated souls in bot male and female spiritual forms. Jesus said " In my fathers Kingdom there are many mansions"
The miracles that Jesus performed can be understood as yogic siddhis or mystic powers that are obtainable by the practice of the Astangha yoga as delineated by Patanjali in the yoga sutras. Few are qualified to achieve them in this age however they do in fact exist. There is a great body of suppressed evidence that Jesus travelled, lived and studied in Northern India. Please see the book, " Jesus Lived in India". It has a wealth of documented information regarding Jesus, His teachings, travels and the history of Jews in Northern India since the time of Moses. Also the Essene/Gnostic connection offers alternative views of Christ.
Over the centuries Christianity has been adulterated, formalized and used for social and political control. Some of the original concepts like reincarnation and other esoteric knowledge have been omited in favour of a watered down version more sutable for widespread propaganda. However the core of devotional theism remains which is a wonderful teaching and very akin to the Bhakti yoga of Indian devotional theism.... The unfortunate addition of the myopic view that Jesus is the ONLY way is a misconception that breeds intolerance of other forms of faith and spirituality. When He said "I am the way" We interpret that to mean, devotion is the way, My example of self sacrifice, My whole hearted giving of My soul to the Supreme Soul in loving devotional relationship (vatsalya-rasa, ie: God as father, devotee as son) Also "I am the way" can be interpreted as the concept of Guru-tattva. "No one passes to the Father but through Me" This means you must develop your relationship with God through a genuine agent of Divinity. A saint, a guru, ie: a realized individual who is situated in transcendental consciousness and Love of God. By serving such a realized master the disciple also develops bhava (loving spiritual emotions for God). This is a very developed science of theological truth called sampradaya in India. Jesus created sampradaya with His disciples.
Realized persons such as Christ teach according to time place and circumstance. (desha-kala-patra) They deliver teachings that are appropriate to the subjective spiritual evolution of the culture they are dealing with. No doubt He knew more than He revealed. He said: "there are many things you are not ready to hear' But what He did reveal was enough to ignite the hatred of the self-seeking religious hypocrites of His time. He was a beacon of light, and His example of self-sacrifice lives on powerfully to this day. He sacrificed His life so that we might gain faith in the higher eternal conscious Reality. Some will hate the light of Truth (the asuras or gross materialists) but those who love the light (the devas or dharmic & spiritually evolved ) will recognize it and embrace the revelation as a message of love from our spiritual home, no matter what external form it may take or what ethnic culture it may appear in. Jesus is our dearmost friend. -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Thu, November 30, 2006 - 9:17 PMEverybody HATES Jesus? Well there were a bunch of people who didn't like what he had to say to them two thousand years ago, and they voted to try to kill him. Jesus could not be killed by the will of such a group of people though. Some Jewish people like him, and see him as a great Rabbi, I have heard, but I don't know too much about that either. And the Muslims see him as a great prophet, but like Muhammad a little better since Muhammad is the last prophet for them. Devotees of Lord Krishna see Jesus Christ as not only A guru, but OUR guru. But the ones who probably really hate Jesus are of three kinds. One is in ignorance of him and his glories. For example, in parts of China I believe it is against the law to talk about anything other than Buddhism, since that is the national religion. The other group of people may have heard of him but don't believe he was real, because of the lack of spirituality exhibited by a lot of his followers who are following in name only. And the third kind of person doesn't WANT to believe in him, because they want to go on with their material life.
In the Bhagavad-Gita it is said there are four kinds of pious people who surrender to God and four kinds of impious people who do not.
Bhagavad-Gita chapter seven text 15
na mam duskrtino mudhah
prpadyante naradhamah
mayayaypahrta-jnana
asuram bhavam asritah
Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me(Krishna, or The Supreme Personality of Godhead). Here is a bried description of the four: The mudhas, who are grossly foolish, and want to enjoy the fruits of their work like an ass who is working hard for his master. The lowest of mankind, who waste their human form of life. Those who disobey the Lord because their knowledge has been nullified by the influence of the illusory energy. And those of demonic principles. I didn't cover it very well since it is a five page translation and purport by Srila Prabhupada but more can be found at www.krishna.com . -
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 12:49 PMYashua is a beautiful soul who comes from the same source we all come from. His teachings are nectar.
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Re: Why Does everybody HATE Jesus?
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 6:54 PMThere are a lot of people who say they love Jesus. Prabhupada said he is our guru. He was the incarnation of tolerance and was genuine because he did not say he was God, but a servant of God.
There was a devotee of Krishna named Mirabhai. She is also considered to be a genuine personality I have heard. She was on such a high platform that she, well it is a long story but she was given a murti or Deity of Krishna to worship as her husband as a child, if I remember correctly. So even after she had married, she had already matured spiritually to the point where she actually knew Krishna was her's and she was his wife. But if you ask most devotees in the Hare Krishna movement if they like Mira you might get a look like they don't! It's not that we don't recognise her as a great devotee, greater than ourselves and certainly a lot more pure in her devotion than the average devotee in ISKCON before they leave their body and go back to Godhead, by then hopefully we all will be pure. In fact she was and is pure, so I've heard. It's just that her disciplic succession I have heard is not the same as ours. And to be honest neither is Jesus Christ's. Still we take him to be our guru, like I said. And we should offer all respects to Mirabhai. But the gopis of Krishna are on a higher level than Mira. Krishna's gopis are the most advanced devotees and we are going to Krishna's planet, the devotees in the Krishna Consciousness movement.
It is a very deep discussion, one I am not qualified to talk about but there are actually different levels of knowing Krishna and the Krishna who speaks the Bhagavad-Gita to Arjuna is slightly different in nature than when He is present in Vrndavana. Yes it is the same Krishna, because Krishna left Vrndavana and went to Dvaraka and Mathura and Kurukshetra, where the battle took place. But at the same time it is not, because it is said that Lord Krishna never leaves Vrndavana, He is hiding in the bushes someone said to see all the fun but Krishna in His original form eternally resides in the hearts of His devotees in Vrndavana. He is captured by them. I don't know whether Mirabhai is a wife of his in Vrndavana but I don't remember Krishna getting married until he leaves Vrndavana either. He gets married in Dvaraka. Does anybody know?
Anyway a devotee offers respect to all living entities. I forgot what exactly the original question was but I see people who hate Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna. Oh yes, people say "I hate Krishna!" and they don't even have a clue who Krishna is! Ask them who Krishna is and they might say ,"He is your leader and you people give all of your money to him" and then you know they think we are the moonies. Anyway I like Jesus but I don't want to get too attached I want to worship Krishna.
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